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Plus c’a change, plus c’e la meme chose September 27, 2006

Posted by Administrator in atheism, Catholicism.


The title is a French cliche (or is it an aphorism?) meaning, “The more things change, the more things stay the same.”

A quote from Myers’ pestiferous Pharyngula:

We have heard talk enough. We have listened to all the drowsy, idealess, vapid sermons that we wish to hear. We have read your Bible and the works of your best minds. We have heard your prayers, your solemn groans and your reverential amens. All these amount to less than nothing. We want one fact. We beg at the doors of your churches for just one little fact. We pass our hats along your pews and under your pulpits and implore you for just one fact. We know all about your mouldy wonders and your stale miracles. We want a ‘this year’s fact’. We ask only one. Give us one fact for charity. Your miracles are too ancient. The witnesses have been dead for nearly two thousand years. Their reputation for ‘truth and veracity’ in the neighborhood where they resided is wholly unknown to us. Give us a new miracle, and substantiate it by witnesses who still have the cheerful habit of living this world. Do not send us to Jericho to hear the winding horns, nor put us in the fire with Shadrach, Meshech and Abednego. Do not compel us to navigate the sea with Captain Jonah, nor dine with Mr. Ezekiel. There is no sort of use in sending us fox-hunting with Samson. We have positively lost all interest in that little speech so eloquently delivered by Balaam’s inspired donkey. It is worse than useless to show us fishes with money in their mouths, and call our attention to vast multitudes stuffing themselves with five crackers and two sardines. We demand a new miracle, and we demand it now. Let the church furnish at least one, or forever hold her peace.

[Robert G. Ingersoll]

Where have we heard this before?

But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. (John 20: 4-25)

Ingersoll, along with his sycophant Myers, demands material proof, despite mounds of proof surrounding them, they demand yet more.

Yet the sort of proof they demand, God in essence standing right in front of them and smacking them with a thunderbolt, is not only arrogant, but an invitation to enslavement.

One of my apologetics students wanted to know why there was no definitive proof for the existence of God (definitive as in Ingersoll’s definition). The response: “Because it violates free will. God does not FORCE us to believe in Him. He issues invitations, and leaves mountains of evidence indicating His existence, but He does not force. He may, but he chooses not to, as He wishes us to choose Him. To force our belief negates our choice.”



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