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Marty McFly, Part Duh. October 24, 2006

Posted by Administrator in Cultural Pessimism, Liberal self-loathing, Politics, Stupid Party vs Evil Party.
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(NOTE FOR THE LIBERALLY OBTUSE: In this little rant, when I speak against stem-cell research, I am referring exclusively to embryonic stem cell research. Anything that doesn’t involve the death of an embryo/fetus/choose-your-own-codeword-for-a-HUMAN-LIFE is of course perfectly acceptable and NOT the subject of this rant.)

Cancel the previous wisdom. McCaskill is still behaviorally evil, but Micheal J Fox is fully aware of what he is doing, and he is prostituting himself in a effort to revive embryonic stem-cell research. (And unlike some political candidates, I’ll come right out and say that following this line of research is EXACTLY as bad as the experiments in Nazi Germany, and if they proceed, we are morally no better than they were.)

Fox is video stumping for Democrat Ben Cardin, from the same hotel room he shot the McCaskill video, and he plans to stump for Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Congresional candidate Tammy Duckworth of Illinois. (LINK)

I’ll say it again: Fox’s illness is unfortunate and sad. That he has allowed it to overcome his common sense and decency, to advocate for the grinding up of human flesh into hamburger in hopes of a miracle cure is a monstrous tragedy. For the American electorate to buy into this emotional demagoguery is dangerously stupid.

Check again the Anchoress for practical reasons why embryonic stem-cell research is not a good thing.

UPDATE:  Anchoress has a newer, even more relevant post up on this sad debacle.

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1. Mike - October 24, 2006

Your post is most ridiculous because you, along with many other non-supporters of empryonic stem cell research, have just got your facts mixed up. First of all to say that to support stem cell research (always talking of embryonic) is comparable to ginding human flesh into hamburger is completely innacurate and missrepresents the views of supporters. Im not a cannabil. I dont support grinding of flesh I support stem cell research and not because there is a chance of a “miracle cure” but because there is very promising research showing that stem cell research has the potential to open up cures for diabetes, parkinsons, MS, and truly countless other diseases. Now wouldnt it be wonderful if we could cure these diseases and save countless lives? We cant with people like you that are writing untruthful facts about the subject. Another thing that is not understood, is that the one the only truly effective stem cells for research are embryonic and other stem cells are not nearly as valuable, and second, it is not as if we are destroying these embryos for the sole purpose of research! These are embryos that were already going to be aborted or were already not going to make it naturally. I am not pro destroying embryos as you would like to make me out as, I am pro taking lives that were alread lost and using them to help us save milions and milions of lives that have already been created. And I must say that to compare my morals to a Nazi is outrageous and unnecesary.

2. demolition65 - October 24, 2006

Let’s take these points one at a time:

First of all to say that to support stem cell research (always talking of embryonic) is comparable to ginding human flesh into hamburger is completely innacurate and missrepresents the views of supporters. The “views of supporters” are irrelevant here. Democrats rarely viewed Clinton as a potential rapist and abuser of women. yet he was. Embryonic stem cell researche requires the destruction of embryos. Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. Facts are relevant here.

Im not a cannabil. I never suggested you were.

there is very promising research showing that stem cell research has the potential to open up cures for diabetes, parkinsons, MS, and truly countless other diseases. Now wouldnt it be wonderful if we could cure these diseases and save countless lives? This may well be. There are also countless things that we may discover about the limits of human endurance under stress. . .but we do not engage in these studies because they violate the dignity of the human person. Violence to embryos -a form of person- is another of these types of violations.

Now wouldnt it be wonderful if we could cure these diseases and save countless lives? We cant with people like you that are writing untruthful facts about the subject. It truly would be wonderful. Yet none of my arguments, not to mention my non-existent “lies” are getting in the way of a cure that is morally acceptable.

is that the one the only truly effective stem cells for research are embryonic and other stem cells are not nearly as valuable,

You need to read the link to the Anchoress in my post to see the clear answer to this

and second, it is not as if we are destroying these embryos for the sole purpose of research! True enough. However, have you ever heard of the phrase, “The ends do not justify the means?” Are you opposed to torture, even if it gets us good intelligence on the war on terror? I bet you are opposed. As well you should be. For we cannot be using evil means to achieve a putatively good end. Embryonic stem cell research and torture share this in common; the use of evil means to attempt a good. This renders the good evil in the end.

These are embryos that were already going to be aborted or were already not going to make it naturally. For now. however, we hav an obligation to save these lives in the hope that they may one day reach their full potential.

I am not pro destroying embryos as you would like to make me out as, I am pro taking lives that were alread lost and using them to help us save milions and milions of lives that have already been created. No one suggested that you are pro-“taking of lives.” And your latter phrase has already been refuted.

I must say that to compare my morals to a Nazi is outrageous and unnecesary But it is this very moral expediency that made the Nazi atrocities possible in the first place. I cannot retract my statement. We are on the same road of bones the Nazi’s marched down 60 years ago.

It is terrifying to behold.

3. Robin Munn - October 25, 2006

Mike’s comment contained one statement that was not only false, but completely opposite from the truth. He wasn’t lying, but he was completely mistaken. He said,

Another thing that is not understood, is that the one the only truly effective stem cells for research are embryonic and other stem cells are not nearly as valuable …

In actual fact, it’s completely the opposite. See this Journal of Investigative Medicine article for proof. Note that all the successful research listed in that article is from adult stem cells, while embryonic stem cells have been only partially successful, and even then, tend to cause cancerous tumors.

The utter irony is that one of the successful adult stem cell treatments was for Parkinson’s disease.

4. demolition65 - October 25, 2006

Thanks, Robin. Valuable info to have.

5. Beautiful Feet - November 29, 2006

To Mike: Embryonic stem cell use is just another way of saying, “My life and suffering is more important because I have the power to assert myself and use another’s life who is powerless/less valuable/without a voice.” We believe we have the right to usurp another life to save our own 😦 and we justify it by objectifying/dehumanizing the process. It’s a value system based on survival of the most powerful/fit. Not a good trend when we participate in the devaluation process of human life. Sometimes we are not equipped to deal with the consequences we help to build and we lack the foresight to recognize destructive trends. I’m grateful that the adult stem cells are more successful for use in medical research.


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